I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

I would vote for increasing the time limit to 7:30 mins.

This is just a draft to show possible integrations. Details like scoring, container (where it is placed: inside cabinet so the robot has to take it out first or on the table) and time limit need further discussion.

I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

I put it to 6:00 in the initial draft to accommodate pouring the cereals. Going up to 7:30 is also fine.

I'd also like to introduce either a bonus for the first item or a decreasing score for each additional item - f the robot stores two items it should be able to store more anyway with time being the limiting factor. The space inside the cabinet was not really limited (At least until we require storing items efficiently e.g. by stacking cans)

So my question is: Are 6 minutes not enough for a ~slow robot to get to the location, scan the shelf, pour cornflakes and store one item (add potentially opening the door as main goal). Faster robots can then store multiple objects to collect additional points.

Another open question: Do we still want this kind of opening the door?

Here's a rewritten version for the PR comment:

• Johannes: Suggests adding extra time since very few teams managed to pick up all 5 objects.
• Luis & Vanessa: Propose keeping the "storing groceries" task as it is, possibly adding time, and including the "pouring" task in Stage 2.
• Alina: Supports the idea but prefers to focus on keeping "pouring" included due to limited available time.
• Akinobu: Agrees with adding extra time and keeping "pouring" in Stage 2.

So, closing this for now.

There is still ongoing discussion in this DRAFT, i dont see rationale for closing (just rename to storing grocerie changes)

Summary until now:

• Multiple Suggestion to add extra time, even though we have a team finishing everything in 3 minutes
• No mention of opening door changes or using bag as bin picking
• Meeting Discussion: Dont do Pouring here, instead combine SB with cleanup

I think the storing milk and cornflakes into the containers is a great idea. The way it is now with the recent changes in rulebook, there is NOTHING the robots have to do with the objects that is not just pick and place (there is no action the robots have to do with an objects, like wiping, pouring, watering plants, placing food in plate ...), and that feels very wrong for a competition for domenstic service robots.

I also really like the addition of the objects inside the bag.

Regarding the cabinet door opening (as discussed in the TC meeting of 06/01/20205), is it natural to have one cabinet door open and the other one closed? I dont think this is a realistic scenario... we should add handles to the doors and have them both closed, that is a realistic scenario. (cheap handles cost ~2€)

Time limit should be at least 7:00 to allow time for teams to also perform the new updates.